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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Revenue share blows&#8221;, says Andy Hagans. Here&#8217;s 5 good reasons why it doesn&#8217;t.</title>
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		<title>By: Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s Your Pleasure?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Marketing, Blog Promotion for Newbies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s Your Pleasure?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, consider this first. How about a tad bit of controversy about Revenue Sharing on Blog Networks? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Jeremy ... I don&#039;t quite understand the defensive attitude over this &quot;conversation&quot; - seem totally out of character.

The discussion is about blog network business models. Questions are being discussed about b5&#039;s model - which in my view isn&#039;t very strong, and your comments here show that you are struggling with settling in on a good model - &lt;em&gt;(&quot;We have always maintained that we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn’t generate income or traffic.&quot;)&lt;/em&gt;

The fact is you have no marquee blog and it would appear from an outsiders view that instead you&#039;re going down that quantity road - biggest blog network etc..

You should sit back and take note of the discussion going on rather than fanning the flames with a shitty attitude.

Just my 2 cents - hint: bloggers are notorious for giving their 2 cents worth ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Jeremy &#8230; I don&#8217;t quite understand the defensive attitude over this &#8220;conversation&#8221; &#8211; seem totally out of character.</p>
<p>The discussion is about blog network business models. Questions are being discussed about b5&#8217;s model &#8211; which in my view isn&#8217;t very strong, and your comments here show that you are struggling with settling in on a good model &#8211; <em>(&#8220;We have always maintained that we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn’t generate income or traffic.&#8221;)</em></p>
<p>The fact is you have no marquee blog and it would appear from an outsiders view that instead you&#8217;re going down that quantity road &#8211; biggest blog network etc..</p>
<p>You should sit back and take note of the discussion going on rather than fanning the flames with a shitty attitude.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents &#8211; hint: bloggers are notorious for giving their 2 cents worth ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: John Evans (Syntagma)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Evans (Syntagma)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, nice reprise, Jeremy. Have you ever thought of a fencing blog? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, nice reprise, Jeremy. Have you ever thought of a fencing blog? :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, when you compare and contrast one model as based on a solid foundation and another as frizzy, that makes you a competitor. The size of the space, and differences in approach, don&#039;t change that.

This is the end of my conversation with you on this John. If you can&#039;t see that you&#039;re spreading rumors (out of funds?), mis-characterizing things (&quot;frizzy&quot; and &quot;unfocussed&quot;?) and offering opinions on a competitor without any disclosure whatsoever, then that&#039;s your bag - not mine.

All the best John, in your radically different, totally uncompetitive venture that uses the same tech, practically the same model, and many of the same authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, when you compare and contrast one model as based on a solid foundation and another as frizzy, that makes you a competitor. The size of the space, and differences in approach, don&#8217;t change that.</p>
<p>This is the end of my conversation with you on this John. If you can&#8217;t see that you&#8217;re spreading rumors (out of funds?), mis-characterizing things (&#8220;frizzy&#8221; and &#8220;unfocussed&#8221;?) and offering opinions on a competitor without any disclosure whatsoever, then that&#8217;s your bag &#8211; not mine.</p>
<p>All the best John, in your radically different, totally uncompetitive venture that uses the same tech, practically the same model, and many of the same authors.</p>
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		<title>By: John Evans (Syntagma)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Evans (Syntagma)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, as I keep repeating, I&#039;m not in competition with you. My blogs are very different from your&#039;s. It&#039;s only in the Microsoft area that we have similar blogs, and I left behind at b5 a PR7 Vista blog which I started from scratch -- 6 months work. 

The $500 figure is pretty general around the space. As I remember, your figure was $200-$500, so my &quot;disclosure&quot; flattered b5 a bit.

Let&#039;s not be silly about this. The blogosphere is about conversations. Those of us in the network business will discuss other folk&#039;s aspirations. If someone gets defensive, we assume the worst. Put up your spinnaker, Jeremy, that always signifies an optimistic attitude :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, as I keep repeating, I&#8217;m not in competition with you. My blogs are very different from your&#8217;s. It&#8217;s only in the Microsoft area that we have similar blogs, and I left behind at b5 a PR7 Vista blog which I started from scratch &#8212; 6 months work. </p>
<p>The $500 figure is pretty general around the space. As I remember, your figure was $200-$500, so my &#8220;disclosure&#8221; flattered b5 a bit.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not be silly about this. The blogosphere is about conversations. Those of us in the network business will discuss other folk&#8217;s aspirations. If someone gets defensive, we assume the worst. Put up your spinnaker, Jeremy, that always signifies an optimistic attitude :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps: I&#039;m well aware that I didn&#039;t answer your core question Barry. I&#039;d be happy to tackle that as part of a separate discussion on b5 and our strategy, I just feel it&#039;s a little out of place as part of a thread on revenue sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps: I&#8217;m well aware that I didn&#8217;t answer your core question Barry. I&#8217;d be happy to tackle that as part of a separate discussion on b5 and our strategy, I just feel it&#8217;s a little out of place as part of a thread on revenue sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: The 500$ figure was never publicly posted. Also, I find it completely inappropriate that you would attack our model without disclosing that you&#039;re in direct competition with us, while offering commentary. That strikes me as odd. Especially when mixed with your hyperbole.

Barry: Sure it could turn an investor off. But it would likely turn off the kind of investor interested in a quick return. Which, if that&#039;s their only focus, isn&#039;t the kind of investor we&#039;re interested in.

Note: Response seriously edited, so I don&#039;t &quot;get into&quot; this ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: The 500$ figure was never publicly posted. Also, I find it completely inappropriate that you would attack our model without disclosing that you&#8217;re in direct competition with us, while offering commentary. That strikes me as odd. Especially when mixed with your hyperbole.</p>
<p>Barry: Sure it could turn an investor off. But it would likely turn off the kind of investor interested in a quick return. Which, if that&#8217;s their only focus, isn&#8217;t the kind of investor we&#8217;re interested in.</p>
<p>Note: Response seriously edited, so I don&#8217;t &#8220;get into&#8221; this ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that, people, is how rumours start! ;o))

Heya Jeremy - when you say &quot;we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn’t generate income or traffic&quot;, how can you integrate that sentiment into a solid business plan?

And I know you&#039;ve said that you&#039;re not actively looking for funding right now, but don&#039;t you think that sentiment might turn a potential investor off in the future?

Why would someone want to pump cash into a company who would launch online products that &quot;wouldn’t generate income or traffic&quot;?

Just thinking out aloud.

B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that, people, is how rumours start! ;o))</p>
<p>Heya Jeremy &#8211; when you say &#8220;we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn’t generate income or traffic&#8221;, how can you integrate that sentiment into a solid business plan?</p>
<p>And I know you&#8217;ve said that you&#8217;re not actively looking for funding right now, but don&#8217;t you think that sentiment might turn a potential investor off in the future?</p>
<p>Why would someone want to pump cash into a company who would launch online products that &#8220;wouldn’t generate income or traffic&#8221;?</p>
<p>Just thinking out aloud.</p>
<p>B</p>
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		<title>By: John Evans (Syntagma)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Evans (Syntagma)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, &quot;an aspiration&quot; to pay $500/month &quot;in a reasonable timeframe&quot;, which &quot;I would put at six months&quot;, is scarcely betraying an NDA. I also said that &quot;it was reachable&quot;, and that my own assumptions are for $750/month in nine months for some blogs.

I was not quoting directly from your accounts and, as I remember, a lot of this went out on b5media.com in the early days. I&#039;m merely discussing general ideas about blog networks, including my own, in the light of your posting.

My point about &quot;passion&quot; etc is my own value judgement, which I&#039;m entitled to hold. I still hold fond memories of b5 and particularly of the founders. I wish you every success. But a half announcement is worse than a frank one, because everyone thinks you&#039;re hiding something, and will discuss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, &#8220;an aspiration&#8221; to pay $500/month &#8220;in a reasonable timeframe&#8221;, which &#8220;I would put at six months&#8221;, is scarcely betraying an NDA. I also said that &#8220;it was reachable&#8221;, and that my own assumptions are for $750/month in nine months for some blogs.</p>
<p>I was not quoting directly from your accounts and, as I remember, a lot of this went out on b5media.com in the early days. I&#8217;m merely discussing general ideas about blog networks, including my own, in the light of your posting.</p>
<p>My point about &#8220;passion&#8221; etc is my own value judgement, which I&#8217;m entitled to hold. I still hold fond memories of b5 and particularly of the founders. I wish you every success. But a half announcement is worse than a frank one, because everyone thinks you&#8217;re hiding something, and will discuss it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little surprised, John, that you&#039;d bandy about internal figures on profit expectations, since those were shared under a non-disclosure agreement. Really, really surprised actually.

Second, we have no cash-flow problems. Quite the opposite in fact. If we were a public company, the auditors would be happy to sign off on that.

On the blog front, we launch blogs for one reason and one reason only: a writer is passionate about it and is *asking* to write the blog. If that passion stays, the blog stays. We have always maintained that we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn&#039;t generate income or traffic.

As far as writer&#039;s expectations and &quot;not&quot; meeting the 500$/month mark... We&#039;re only 6 months old. How many blogs could we possibly have missed this mark on? Seriously. 

Again, we&#039;re not even seeking funding. Opportunities became available, and we&#039;ll pursue those opportunities. If they don&#039;t happen, we&#039;ll still succeed, we&#039;ll still grow, writers will still get paid, new tech will still get launched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised, John, that you&#8217;d bandy about internal figures on profit expectations, since those were shared under a non-disclosure agreement. Really, really surprised actually.</p>
<p>Second, we have no cash-flow problems. Quite the opposite in fact. If we were a public company, the auditors would be happy to sign off on that.</p>
<p>On the blog front, we launch blogs for one reason and one reason only: a writer is passionate about it and is *asking* to write the blog. If that passion stays, the blog stays. We have always maintained that we would launch blogs even if we felt they wouldn&#8217;t generate income or traffic.</p>
<p>As far as writer&#8217;s expectations and &#8220;not&#8221; meeting the 500$/month mark&#8230; We&#8217;re only 6 months old. How many blogs could we possibly have missed this mark on? Seriously. </p>
<p>Again, we&#8217;re not even seeking funding. Opportunities became available, and we&#8217;ll pursue those opportunities. If they don&#8217;t happen, we&#8217;ll still succeed, we&#8217;ll still grow, writers will still get paid, new tech will still get launched.</p>
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